problems with indexed universal life

I’m sorry I’m just not into losing half my principal like I did buying mutual funds, and paying fees on top of all that. I’d like to run your success story with two others posts on IULs I have coming up as well as one on indexed variable annuities (which make IUL look pretty good, by the way.). or is it their age in bonds and the rest into the stock? Its ETFs mirror that index, to the tune of 5.75%–6.75% CAGR over the last 140 years: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-charts-wall-street-doesnt-want-you-to-see-2011-10 Lieff Cabraser, Zamamsky and others are now turning their attention to smaller beer like the Life Insurance companies. I started investing (albeit a most humble of scrap amount – hey … public servant here) … in 2008 … the same year the market tanked. Or their hearts’ dismay. All rights reserved. I had a friend, that went from 100% occupancy to less than 20% in months as they all lost their jobs and they lost the building. And don’t forget, you also have to have an iron stomach and be willing to ride out the downdrafts cuz after all, history, which never changes, right? “IULs have participation rates.”, Again James, these just scratch the surface of the problem. Here we discuss what is fixed indexed universal life insurance. I appreciate all the Great Comments above: In my particular situation, since I am a director of my company, can anyone advise me how it will effect the pros & cons. That YouTube video is not Ed Slott promoting IUL. Also available on Audible! At any rate, I am unaware of a 20 year old IUL with a 20 year 8% annualized return. Some drunk came out of nowhere. As shown above, IULs are not substantially different from preceding xULs. “Average” return comes to an impressive 10.71%. Insurance companies will make money on these policies more often than not because they use the actuarial tables to tell them the odds of death and write the policies over a large group of people. The current mortality charges from a life insurance company are a reflection of life expectancy and are equal to 1.4-2%. Yes, you do have to pay for the life insurance as well. It sounds great and hope everything works out great for you in the long term. It has everything to do with how the combination of 95% bonds/treasuries with 5% options performs. Do you understand what an annual reset feature is all about? This article sounds like it was written from a Term insurance salesman. They are classically used to apply to investment accounts like Roth IRAs, annuities, and life insurance policies. These are the details I’m interested in. Notice nobody recommends this as an option for investing on your own (although of course they do sell index annuities). When you are well into your retirement years your premiums will be so high that you will not be paying anything into your retirement and your cash value will be decreasing to pay for the Cost Of Insurance. 75% safe 25% percent risk and everyone is happy. I wasn’t really saving much, just maxing out my Roth IRA, instead of my 401k since my 401k didn’t have matching. IULs grow tax deferred period. Or if you prefer you can lower your death benefit drastically in one day. Do you recommend it or would you consider another approach. In 2014, if we apply LIMRA’s 2010 Term/Perm policy ownership ratios, total Individual Perm owners paid $207.4 billion. There is only one original company left in it. Ultimately you owe it to yourself to get a broad perspective on your financial products. My friend finally concluded the following: In almost every scenario in which they sat down with a doctor to discuss the possible cause and remedy, the field in which the doctor specialized, was surprisingly always the solution. The IUL is the best thing out there, by far, and I am an electrical engineer by profession. Would NEVER go to a 401k or any “guaranteed” benefit plan. I don’t know why you would love mutual funds if you thought you could get 10% out of a cash value life insurance policy. It happens more often than not. Let’s imagine you’re putting in $50K a year for 30 years. However, let's continue this scenario another 20 years assuming the man is still alive and doing well. Five percent? chances of meeting even the illustration less than 1% and that article is written by people pro IUL. Jie…..There are two ways to structured the policy, one is level and the other is increasing. Indexed universal life insurance (and universal life insurance, for that matter) has a lot of fees. Typically using a VUL tucked in a Private Placement Life Insurance (PPLI) wrapper which now you know about (if you didn’t before) since you read all the comments here. Even during the 2000’s you got about a 5.6% return, all during the WORST of times. I love seeing people taken care of in their finances. Just don’t try and say all IUL is bad and it’s not suitable for anyone. Btw I love term and mutual funds too, they have their place as well. For those of you who have a much higher risk tolerance, don’t mind paying taxes, and are counting on tax rates staying the same, then by all means go the routes you’re suggesting. If you like, you could sell the first ones you got (which are likely the highest taxed ones.) It’s easy to get caught up in semantics on this issue. How much is the asset protection worth to you? Just a small correction, on average I’ll be putting in $12k a year for 26 years. The world is full of people that will need some kind of life insurance in place on the day they die. You do realize that the same people who want to raise taxes also have looked at removing the tax free death benefit on insurance? How about the tax benefits etc? After 30 years, the stock investor has $6.1 Million. 2.The S&P 500 beats about 75-80% of mutual funds over the long term and it is hard to find a mutual fund that can consistently beat the S&P 500 index even if you find a low expense ratio fund. The amount exceeded my available savings as I was also dealing with a flooded residence and a car repair – LIFE HAPPENS!! That’s why I write articles about it. If you only borrow from the policy, it’s like it’s tax-free but not interest free. It really doesn’t matter to me either way. Small wonder then that this unofficial Life Insurance industry organ: http://www.lifehealthpro.com/2013/06/05/the-future-of-life-insurance-taxation. He also did not mention that an IUL has a floor and will not lose $ if and when the market drops below 0%. If you are in 33% bracket and include state tax you would need to give 30-40% of earnings every yr (i am paying in CA). 10. Let's continue on to age 90 for the man. Expense ratios are practically zero (5-10 basis points for index funds at Vanguard). Why not evangelize a little and actually send me your statements/illustration (with identifying info blacked out.) https://www.whitecoatinvestor.com/why-vanguard/. That’s really the only way to “win” this argument if that is your goal. If you knew you only had a short period of time to live, you might choose to keep the coverage intact because you knew the death benefit would be right around the corner. Amazing how many people get out of these in the first five years for a long-term plan, isn’t it? Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for. I not very financially savvy, but I like to read online a lot. Does your xUL still sound like a sound investment to you? If you’re not willing to do that, the reader will be forced to assume you’re exaggerating your returns. They’re comparing apples to oranges. However, a lot of the issues raised are in large part due to a lack of understanding or due to a conflict of interest with the person pointing out the negatives of Indexed Universal Life. Check out Merriam Webster’s def for “investment:”, http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/investment … and I can set my premiums up as I see fit – LOVE IT! It isn’t a pension plan, but its a free country and you can call it whatever you like. Just because there are fees doesn’t mean they’re anywhere near comparable to those from the cash value life insurance industry. I’m with an A+ rated privately owned carrier (ESOP) that’s been in business for over 100 years. 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Everybody is so totally different…”. UL → VUL → IUL) to stay ahead of the regulators and courts. Hard to get excited about that. Vic, ~30 years ago, Congress started to catch on to key-man policy abuses and started to impose limits on its use. Thirty years ago a good internist or surgeon could count on earning $300,000 – $500,000 yearly. Like any insurance/investing hybrid product, you need to hold a IUL for the rest of your life to achieve even a low return, and you are far less likely to do this when it turns out you bought something that isn’t what you thought it was. Paying attention can pay off. Money removed from IULs is tax-free if taken out by policy loans which is what most clients will do since that is one of the best features of the IUL. Those fancy illustrations .. they are NOT guaranteed and they do say that all over every piece of paper. Again Jamie, we’re no longer in the 1930s when carriers owned ONLY bonds. IULS have been under a lot of attack, agents from TransAmerica, WFG, etc have been known as brainwashed salesman rather then educated financial agents. Only 14 states impose their own estate taxes, and only New Jersey taxes estates below $1 million. Do you have a permanent life insurance need? Read ALL of the comments in one go. Because of his age and the fact his children were on their own and doing well, the man decided that he no longer needed $500,000 in coverage. Look what happened to Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Enron, Arthur Andersen and some other former titans of the financial industry. In 2014-15, total disposable personal income in America (average, annualized) was 11.5 trillion dollars: http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm?reqid=9&step=1&acrdn=2#reqid=9&step=3&isuri=1&903=58. At least the IUL product does come with guarantees and the principal is always protected and the gains are locked in. It normally takes a few years longer for the investment to dig out of the loss and get back to break even. Can I know the company name? A+ rated w pretty history and my part is 50/50 w sp500 and gold. 3. How do I make sure I don’t die before withdrawing my cash value? From 1970 to 2010 the lowest risk bond / stock allocation was only 28% stocks / 72% bonds. Instead, most agents do us a disservice when they tout market averages for only the last 20 years or even less. If it was awesome, you would think there would be entire internet forums full of excited owners of the product. Then you LOSE your death bennie and all the thousands you poured into your slo-mo time bomb of a policy. Maybe a little better or maybe a little worse depending on how things go. Seriously though, I love how these insurance agents don’t even understand Vanguard’s structure (not to mention the structure of our tax system). Why or why not? What percentage of your portfolio do you reserve for "play money"? You said earlier (and correct me if I’m wrong) that you have an IUL with a cap on the crediting rate of 14%. So I actually got charged less. That’s comes to an average monthly premium payment of $246. By the way its been shown time and time again that companies will change things like the caps/part rates when the investment piece isn’t working out for them. Because .. things can change. I’d love to see a 10 year old illustration along with a current in force illustration for that policy that shows people “received ware more than what was estimated.” Please email to [email protected] and I’ll do a post about it. I’m amazed that pernicious self-destructive xULs have had as long as run as they had. However, for most people they will want to reduce their coverage and just keep the policy in place until death. Would you mind sharing what your premiums have been since 2008 and what your current cash value is of the policy? Bought an iul but after studying a bit I decided to just keep it going w the the premiums. Yes, you can get your money out anytime, but there is something called a surrender fee that is retained by the insurance company. I consider the expert in IULs to be Brett Anderson, author of “Last Chance Retirement.” He also publishes a nearly monthly newsletter that shows the changes in the IUL world and list the best companies for the “max funded IUL strategy” that I use in my practice. I truly hope the index gets the 8% you’re estimating and although that is different from what your return will be, I also hope you get whatever return you need to meet your financial goals. These products don’t pass the common sense test. You can expect that to be far better than with xUL, with premiums that can spike dramatically in your later years as your COIs start to race away from you. http://www.forbes.com/2011/04/04/real-cost-mutual-fund-taxes-fees-retirement-bernicke.html. Bottom Line: Indexed Universal Life Policies Lack Guarantees. There are many arguments contained in this blog, but I’ll try to summarize and comment on a few. Straighten out your financial life today! In past years, there were concerns with the values in the investment portion of universal life insurance because of unstable markets. Additionally, good products do allow for loans that do not cost and are on a tax free basis. His cash value diminished while he was withdrawing from it over the past 20 years, but he was never worried for his income. Universal life was invented in the 1970s and comprised 25% of life insurance policies purchased in the 1980s and 1990s. Does it mean my Million dollar policy is worth nothing if I die (as any loans will be deducted from the DB first)? This can typically be done over the phone, and does not require any approvals or medical tests or questionnaires. I have an IUL too! Indexed universal life insurance doesn’t have a guaranteed premium, guaranteed death benefit, or guaranteed cash value. You say “…When those 30-year terms are up and you can’t get insured anymore…” is why folks should consider to layer in Term Life policies to last into their ’70s which gives their DIVERSIFIED investments plenty of time to grow and surpass the modest Death Benefit that was all you could afford when you bought your Perm policy as a young adult starting out. If you save enough money it doesn’t matter so much if you buy investments with low expected returns. The world from post WW2 to about the end of the tech wreck .. while it had some ups & downs and a stagnant decade .. was a very different time from the world today. Depending on your investment strategy maybe you didn’t make money those years but if you did dollar cost average or dumped a lump sum in the market you would have taken advantage of buy low getting up side swing. Also, it is tax free not tax deferred, in regards to the death benefit and also the cash coming out of it due to the FIFO method of accounting. So if Congress decided to take away the tax benefits of a Roth IRA, then every one who had a Roth prior to the legislative change would now have a taxable account?? There’s no free lunch. 0.1%? I’ve had excellent growth the past 5-years and now my principal is locked in, and can never go backwards. Thanks for reading. The S&P 500 is a manipulated index. That is what life insurance is for. 80% of people dump cash value polices before death. Period. The returns with permanent products are not supposed to be fabulous. Any reasonable asset allocation, when coupled with an adequate savings rate and good discipline, will do. So it’s a snapshot on the anniversary date of the policy every March. Glad you are happy. The devil is in the details, and when you really examine them, it becomes clear that these are products designed to be sold, not bought. Starting with the least risky, these are: fixed universal life, fixed indexed universal life, and variable universal life. Hi I am a broker who offers IULs as well as other investments. Book A Quick Call With Us. Whole life blending essentially turns whole life insurance into what universal life insurance already is, so blending isn’t a necessary step. The book summarizes the most important information on the blog and contains material not found on the site at all. It's that simple. Please immediately stop flogging and selling these toxic pigs-in-pokes. James, much of what you wrote makes great sense and is very important for people to read and know if they plan to buy an xUL they will, over their lifetimes, feed hundreds of thousands, even millions, of dollars into. But it’s a safe bet most of it comes from safe high-quality bonds, not index funds, so that Transamerica minimizes its risk. If she knew that high price at the beginning, she never would have bought this policy. I understand that I can probably get better returns if I learn to do it myself. Check out this piece “How Life Insurance Morphed Into a Corporate Finance Tool:”, http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1041197687392508913. Well, imagine if your policy had a cap of 12%. the figures that xUL proponents eagerly claim on the internet. I am meeting with a Wells Fargo advisor ( who says the tax guy sold me the worse kind of mutual fund because a its expensive and b It is not managed. Remember that retrospective studies in finance have the same limitations as retrospective studies in medicine. I figure the drag on a very tax-efficient stock index mutual fund each year is 0.3-0.46% of perhaps an 8% return. It’s not hard to do. At the age of 96, my policy value equaled my DB. The problem with doing so is you generally get an inferior insurance policy and an inferior investment compared to what you could get if you purchased them separately. I am not surprised by these premiums. http://insurancenewsnetmagazine.com/article/illustrated-promises-unmet-expectations-2533. We’re already seeing very troubling signs as the first of these policies begin to mature and fail. I probably wouldn’t use IUL for that, but do what you like. They are supposed to be ‘there’ when you need them. Seems like that would really take a chunk out of your retirement plans. It hovers around 8% per year throughout retirement. Thank you so much for all the great information! In the SA, straight-up equities–you know, those things that make up the S&P 500–these make up the vast majority of assets. The symptoms she experiences are typically joint pain and fatigue.For years they've gone to doctor after doctor seeing a variety of “specialists” in various fields of medicine. But what if your IUL were somehow delivering what you claim–which far exceeds the experts’ assessment of 2.5%–4%? 1) Loans from your policy, like loans from your house or against your investments, are tax-free but not interest-free. We compile our data from multiple sources, which includes the government, non-profit and private sources. We now have more than 20 years of IUL history to draw from. This is only a third or less of the time of the 50, 60, 70 years a young person will be expected to hold a Perm Life policy. That would be like saying my BRK stock grows tax free. When life agents (and I am not one) or financial planners (nope not one of those either) reco or don’t reco any product, it always behooves one to go home and read read read, learn .. even doctors .. who do have better things to do. I’m also on Vanguard’s payroll. http://www.insurance-forums.net/forum/annuities-forum/ed-slott-elite-ira-advisors-t12271.html, http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ed+slott%27s+retirement+rescue+for+2013&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=8A22EC0AC69056B545EE8A22EC0AC69056B545EE. I’ve had gains of over 14% since 2008, and they are 100% locked in and can never go backwards. If a highly-trained sales force is the only way to sell something, buyers should probably wonder why. So it looks like there’s no charge for DB, but I’m stilled charged 0.7% of my account value and $120 yearly fee. IUL’s are really good for people that die young ( with rare exception. Taxes on the gains? Are you aware you don’t have to pay 5.5% to buy mutual funds nor get advice from a commissioned salesman? You will EASILY beat any insurance product that only earns 2 – 5% over a lifetime. I am of the belief that taxes will be much worse in the future. Almost 30 years. I mention this because the same skewed perspectives impact those of us in the financial industry. You can choose to live in whatever world you wish, but do you own diligence and don’t insult your readers after you’re the one who asked them for their experiences. Money in IULs grow tax deferred. The you say “…The world is full of people that will need some kind of life insurance in place on the day they die…”. It may not be for everyone, but it gives me piece of mind. Here’s that exact language in the FFIUL: “The cap may be changed for each segment but may never be less than the basic interest account current interest rate…”. Term insurance is very inexpensive: less than $350 per year for a $1 million, 30-year level term policy bought on a healthy 30-year-old. I appreciate any help you can provide here. How is that “stock-like?” It isn’t. I address your points below. Also, average return of index fund matches with iUL because IUL stops the loss. I am a physician, closing his 50s, and like the benefits it provides including lawsuit protection but concerned about the increasing cost of ins, especially as I will be getting older into 60s and later, eating away any chance of growth in investments to be used as a supplemental income during retirement days. Like the idea that I can grow the investment portion without the risk of Market losses, the reason why my VUL was ready to lapse if I don’t increase the monthly premium to >double. Hi James. More to indict the pernicious, abusive–even outright fraudulent–xUL. Your claimed returns are something like 19% per year which is obviously very, very good for an insurance product. I also checked what was mentioned about cost of insurance going up the older I got, and noticed something in my illustration. 2011 S&P 500: 20.30% Indexed universal life insurance (IUL) is an insurance product that seems to promise you can have your cake and eat it, too. Certainly an investment which has apparently been providing a return of 19% to you recently is not “fairly conservative.” Substantial risk must be taking place. I love how all of the insurance salesmen responding to this article use the COMPLETELY deceptive method of comparing IUL to 100% stocks and NO diversification into bonds. The insurance companies work hard to keep it that way. Alas, this xUL premise and promise has FAILED disastrously to now, as older xUL holder by the thousands are forced to lapse their xULs and LOSE EVERYTHING, spurring class-action suits against carriers. I wouldn’t have went this route if it wasn’t for their ratings, stringent underwriting requirements, and track record. As you offered above, I do “WANT TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IUL” , my emailadd is wiqar01 and it is on GMail, “Avoid [indexed] universal life insurance at all costs!” – Clark Howard. That way you can lock in the gains again. 3) What “penalty” were you facing if you just cancelled your VUL and took the money are run? 80%? Example: If the solve feature spit out a DB for $100k then some would say run the DB at $75k to make sure the policy preforms. The author by his own admission states this as: A generic article on IUL. Why is that? I’ll gently suggest that your brother’s untimely death–something that could happen to any of us at any time–does not change the fact that Term Life and invest the rest is a superior strategy for the vast majority of the 99.9%. mutual funds, then we can expect something lower than that the S&P 500’s historical return of 5.75%. In my experience, those people who chose the Level Death Benefit option (variously called Option 1 or Option A) are shocked to learn the carrier keeps all their cash value when they die. Their long-term return was 7%. Let it be and when you die it will pass those zillions to your heirs with a step-up in cost basis. Good luck finding an IUL that’s even a decade old. Most of what is said by the author and you are based up on your opinions and emotions. Interesting that one would fear one without the other. 1. There are plenty of index options out there that show an 8+% return over a 20 year history of that strategy. This is great! Indexed universal life policies provide greater upside potential, flexibility, and tax-free gains. That should be enough information for you. If that cap wasn’t in place, an IUL purchaser in 1999 would have had 69% more money than he really ended up with. I run it as a minimum Non-MEC which is even a lower face amount. At this point my mind is going in circles, as Michael raises some very strong points. 6. One of the strategies is an annual point-to-point crediting method, which has a cap of 14%. Even now, at historically low yields of around 2%, the dividend still accounts for one-fifth of the market return. 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